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	<title>Comments on: Latest Report Shows Another Decline in Jersey Journal&#8217;s Circulation</title>
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		<title>By: Jon Whiten</title>
		<link>http://www.jerseycityindependent.com/2010/05/04/latest-report-shows-another-decline-in-jersey-journals-circulation/comment-page-1/#comment-48810</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon Whiten</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 May 2010 17:09:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alb-

Fair enough; the citizen journalism aspect of a message board can indeed be considered news reporting in a way, although without a structure to verify, organize and place those first-hand accounts in context, sometimes that could just be considered information. But as you rightly point out, those lines are increasingly being blurred. And that&#039;s (usually) a good thing.</description>
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<p>Fair enough; the citizen journalism aspect of a message board can indeed be considered news reporting in a way, although without a structure to verify, organize and place those first-hand accounts in context, sometimes that could just be considered information. But as you rightly point out, those lines are increasingly being blurred. And that&#8217;s (usually) a good thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Alb</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 May 2010 16:57:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess you&#039;re being facetious, but I think it&#039;s important to point out that a message board can be an interesting and useful news medium. What determines whether that&#039;s true or not is the intent of the posters and the nature of the posts, not the fact that the posts appear on a message board.

If, say, you folks actively send someone to liveblog a school board candidate forum, you&#039;re obviously engaged in gathering and publishing news. Anyone who says otherwise has an ulterior motive.

If people at JC List are engaged in an idiotic mudfight over whether Brooklyn is nicer than Jersey City, and whether posting comments about preferring Brooklyn to Jersey City on JC List is acceptable, that&#039;s obviously not anything related to the gathering or distribution of news.

But, if a neighborhood group leader posts a report on crime in downtown Jersey City on JC List, and other  people post their personal observations about crime in the neighborhood, then, up the point when the thread turns into a debate about racism and anti-yuppie-ism, I think that is a kind of interesting, informal news effort. You could argue that the neighborhood group leader is doing something similar to traditional journalism.

In a lot of cases, message board &quot;reporters&quot; do a great job of covering neighborhood news and major catastrophes (e.g., Katrina, and the earthquake in Iran a few years back).

But, of course, ordinary people writing first-hand accounts when they feel like it is different from what you folks do, and, as you acknowledge, what you folks do is different from what the Jersey Journal does.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess you&#8217;re being facetious, but I think it&#8217;s important to point out that a message board can be an interesting and useful news medium. What determines whether that&#8217;s true or not is the intent of the posters and the nature of the posts, not the fact that the posts appear on a message board.</p>
<p>If, say, you folks actively send someone to liveblog a school board candidate forum, you&#8217;re obviously engaged in gathering and publishing news. Anyone who says otherwise has an ulterior motive.</p>
<p>If people at JC List are engaged in an idiotic mudfight over whether Brooklyn is nicer than Jersey City, and whether posting comments about preferring Brooklyn to Jersey City on JC List is acceptable, that&#8217;s obviously not anything related to the gathering or distribution of news.</p>
<p>But, if a neighborhood group leader posts a report on crime in downtown Jersey City on JC List, and other  people post their personal observations about crime in the neighborhood, then, up the point when the thread turns into a debate about racism and anti-yuppie-ism, I think that is a kind of interesting, informal news effort. You could argue that the neighborhood group leader is doing something similar to traditional journalism.</p>
<p>In a lot of cases, message board &#8220;reporters&#8221; do a great job of covering neighborhood news and major catastrophes (e.g., Katrina, and the earthquake in Iran a few years back).</p>
<p>But, of course, ordinary people writing first-hand accounts when they feel like it is different from what you folks do, and, as you acknowledge, what you folks do is different from what the Jersey Journal does.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Whiten</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon Whiten</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 May 2010 15:05:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alb-

Despite the offense we take at being lumped in with message boards, which you&#039;ve profoundly misidentified as &quot;news efforts,&quot; in your comment, you&#039;re (partly) right. 

But forget about what message board users would lose if the Journal went under; what about what the city would lose? We certainly don&#039;t have any ill wishes towards our fellow newsfolk at 30 JSQ, and think it would be bad for democracy and accountability if there were one less news outlet here. Jersey City is already suffering from a pretty substantial media deficit compared to comparable cities across the country; it doesn&#039;t need to get any worse.</description>
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<p>Despite the offense we take at being lumped in with message boards, which you&#8217;ve profoundly misidentified as &#8220;news efforts,&#8221; in your comment, you&#8217;re (partly) right. </p>
<p>But forget about what message board users would lose if the Journal went under; what about what the city would lose? We certainly don&#8217;t have any ill wishes towards our fellow newsfolk at 30 JSQ, and think it would be bad for democracy and accountability if there were one less news outlet here. Jersey City is already suffering from a pretty substantial media deficit compared to comparable cities across the country; it doesn&#8217;t need to get any worse.</p>
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		<title>By: Alb</title>
		<link>http://www.jerseycityindependent.com/2010/05/04/latest-report-shows-another-decline-in-jersey-journals-circulation/comment-page-1/#comment-48779</link>
		<dc:creator>Alb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 May 2010 14:18:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the Jersey Journal is a really beautiful paper, even now.  JC List, the Reporter and the Jersey City Independent are all great in their own ways, but they don&#039;t do what the Journal does, and I don&#039;t think they ever can. 

Note that people on JC List, Wired JC and even JC Independent depend very heavily on Jersey Journal links. If the Journal died, local Web news efforts would lose half or more of their copy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the Jersey Journal is a really beautiful paper, even now.  JC List, the Reporter and the Jersey City Independent are all great in their own ways, but they don&#8217;t do what the Journal does, and I don&#8217;t think they ever can. </p>
<p>Note that people on JC List, Wired JC and even JC Independent depend very heavily on Jersey Journal links. If the Journal died, local Web news efforts would lose half or more of their copy.</p>
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		<title>By: -30-</title>
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		<dc:creator>-30-</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 May 2010 11:38:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sadly, it&#039;s a bit of a self-fulfilling prophecy (or maybe a death spiral?) with the Journal, like many other struggling papers.

1. Struggle with declining circulation (and revenues)

2. Cut staff

3. Have less compelling content created by fewer, more overworked staffers.

4. REPEAT</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sadly, it&#8217;s a bit of a self-fulfilling prophecy (or maybe a death spiral?) with the Journal, like many other struggling papers.</p>
<p>1. Struggle with declining circulation (and revenues)</p>
<p>2. Cut staff</p>
<p>3. Have less compelling content created by fewer, more overworked staffers.</p>
<p>4. REPEAT</p>
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		<title>By: casual observer</title>
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		<dc:creator>casual observer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 May 2010 01:35:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the jj&#039;s decline in circulation are a result of its continued decline in quality and objectivity.  lousy writing, nonexistent research and analysis, and no follow up.  it&#039;s really no surprise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the jj&#8217;s decline in circulation are a result of its continued decline in quality and objectivity.  lousy writing, nonexistent research and analysis, and no follow up.  it&#8217;s really no surprise.</p>
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		<title>By: Riaz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Riaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 May 2010 18:52:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am not at all surprised;  3-4 pages of local news coverage; another two half pages of news and then 3 pages of sports news... rest is advertisements.. AM NEWYORK, kind of free papers have more news coverage to read, which is free on top of it!!! I look like a loser who pays $150 per year !!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not at all surprised;  3-4 pages of local news coverage; another two half pages of news and then 3 pages of sports news&#8230; rest is advertisements.. AM NEWYORK, kind of free papers have more news coverage to read, which is free on top of it!!! I look like a loser who pays $150 per year !!!</p>
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